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okay now for interview with Brian

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Bentley one of the big questions were

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faced with right now as we look at the

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response to the George Floyd and we look

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at the black lives matter movement and

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so on is if we just look at the George

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Floyd situation do we have a problem

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here in America with police brutality or

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do we have a problem with police racism

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that's interesting question and I think

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we have a problem with both and when you

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talk about racism people usually try to

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put it into simple terms or you know

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make it real simplistic but it isn't

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pleased to Battaglia also is a complex

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issue with George Floyd I mean we

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watched someone get murdered right in

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front of us and it was almost as if we

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were there we see these videos every day

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we saw them you know just non-stop so it

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was almost as if we were there and we

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were standing there watching there is a

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an issue with police brutality police

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officers and it is due mainly to the to

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their to the nature of the job it's a

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violent job yeah I don't think I don't

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think many people doubt that there's

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police brutality I think you know that

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whether it's racially motivated or not I

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think is a real question you know the

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George Floyd video is is horrifying to

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watch actually I thought you made a

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really interesting observation on

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another interview that I watched through

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you were you pointed out that hey when a

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guy says that he can't breathe the

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police mindset should change from being

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full-blown arrest mode into being

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concerned for somebody's health you know

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you're innocent until you're proven

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guilty so you're dealing with somebody

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who's supposed to be treated as an

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innocent person albeit subject to arrest

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but there needs to be a mindset among

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police that hey we got to be concerned

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about the health and safety of everyone

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even the people that were arresting and

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when somebody is indicating to you that

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they can't breathe there ought to be

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something trigger that goes on in your

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head and in the

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cops we didn't see that trigger Gogh at

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all no no we didn't and in fact the the

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incident with George Floyd where someone

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goes into medical distress is not

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uncommon with police officers

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these officers deal with that and

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probably you know a couple times a week

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where your arrest somebody and just

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because of the nature of the rest you

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know it's very frightening it's you know

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medical emergencies and so that's not

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uncommon

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not ignored it but they also contributed

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to it by putting this knee on his neck

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so you can see there wasn't any concern

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and not just concerned but there seemed

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to be some type of gratification from it

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you know some kind of emotional release

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from him having his foot on his neck

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hands in its pocket and he seemed to be

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enjoying it and to mention to go back to

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what you're saying is is a racial or is

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it just police brutality

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yeah I worked with some really violent

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cops when I worked with LAPD and

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Southwest Division and I wrote in my

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book that it's really difficult to tell

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when you see a white officer who beats a

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black person you see another black

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officer who does the same thing it's

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what's their motivation I've heard black

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cops say well you know that person you

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know I was pissed off because they're

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bringing the the race down so I was

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angry at that and then you wonder what

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the motivation is behind the white

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officers now the reason that I know that

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there's racism on the department is

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because I've had some you know I've been

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really close to a lot of officers a lot

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of white officers and sometimes when you

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come into the car they'll tell you hey

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you know what you need to look out for

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so-and-so because we had a conversation

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and they were throwing the N word around

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and you should just be very careful that

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person and they'll tell me yeah you know

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I had to put that person straight I've

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heard that maybe about 6 or 7 times

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during my career where I've had white

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officers warn me about other white

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officers and so you know that sent an

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alarm in my head too I go what's their

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motivation for doing what they do mm-hmm

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but if we suggest that police brutality

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is mostly racially based then you're

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severely under estimating the amount of

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police brutality because

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the vast amount of police brutality is

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probably not racially based well you

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know that's that's like I said that's

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hard to to address and well but you're

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but you're the you're the guy who's

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coming out and saying that hey there is

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a strain among police officers that are

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addicted to violence and I want you to

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talk about that and I assume as

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addiction to violence is not addicted to

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racist violence it's just an addiction

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to violence period right it is so so

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when I wrote my first book one time the

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story of a South Central Los Angeles

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police officer I wrote it about the

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violence that I saw and experienced on

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the LAPD and here's the thing the thing

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is when I wrote the book when I just

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described my partner's I did not say

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what race they were I described

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everything else of a former Marine six

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before our muscular tattoos but I did

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not say whether they were white or black

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and the reason I did that is because I

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wanted to address the violence part of

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it but here's the irony of it the irony

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of it is that I have white officers come

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to me and say my book was racial even

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though I didn't mention the race and

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then I have black officers come to me

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and say well why didn't you tell me the

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race why didn't you mention the race

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because we know it was white people so

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you know you have a dynamic here but

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when I wrote my book and what I speak I

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speak generally too specifically for

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towards the violence because that's one

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thing you can't deny is that the

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addiction I mean you see it officers

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can't control themselves you have body

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cams right

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you have citizens who have cell phones

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you have surveillance videos on

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buildings but they still go out and they

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still commit excessive force knowing

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that the whole world is watching and

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they can't control it back when I was a

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police officer doing the after the rebbe

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for the riots and in 91 right after the

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Rodney King beating LAPD was hands off

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officers were saying we're not gonna

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arrest anybody we're not gonna touch

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anybody we don't care what the crime

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rate goes you know how it gets we're not

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touching anybody and as a result the LA

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County Jail had to close

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a wing of the other Jill because LAPD

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was an arrest anybody however there was

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a group of officers that I've worked

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with that didn't care they couldn't stop

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they went out and they were it was

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business as usual

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they were roughing up gang members they

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are very physical in everything they

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never stopped they didn't matter what

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the public's opinion was they didn't

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matter what the ramifications would have

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been they can they conducted business as

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usual because it was something they felt

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they had to do so this addiction to

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violence that you speak about that you

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saw in your time of the LAPD and I

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presume have also done a lot of research

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on let's start with this question do you

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see the prevalence of that among white

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officers being any different than the

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prevalence of that addiction among black

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officers well we've seen in Atlanta the

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officers that were fired they were black

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the thing is is that you don't have as

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many black officers to to run a pool and

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do statistics on most of the officers

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that you see on the LAPD in the black

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community are white there's not a lot of

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black officers on patrol so you can't

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really get an accurate count so of

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course you're gonna see what is a great

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kind of LAPD do you know I do I know

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which is interesting that you brought

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this up but the Police Protective League

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is doing this campaign where you know

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there's a lot of diversity in the

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department and that there's nine point

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nine percent african-americans on the

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job that comes out to be 962 black

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officers on that 962 that spread out

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through through the whole department

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through the valley through Metro all

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over and there are only there are less

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than 300 black officers on patrol so you

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don't see any I live in South LA I

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haven't seen a black officer of my

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neighborhood in eight months

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so it's looking that why do you why do

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you think there's so few black officers

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I mean you say it's ten percent which I

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mean that is ballpark the percentage in

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in in the LA population right

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african-americans that is but but you

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can't go on that because when I was on

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the job in 1990 the department was 13.8%

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black in the population in LA was 11 so

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I don't know where's they got into a

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board meeting somewhere and decided that

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we're going to change it but even when I

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was in the department you still didn't

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see a lot of the black officers on

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patrol and have you ever you made a kind

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of a flippant comment there about going

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into a board meeting and changing

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something what are you talking about

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well it's uh you know it's a

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conservative conservative effort not to

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have not to have black officers on the

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job

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what do you bold assertion what do you

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base that on

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I base it on because I've talked to

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people in recruiting and they go out and

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there are a lot of black applicants and

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you cannot tell me that all the

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applicants are not qualified and that

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they could only get five black qualified

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people to to come into the police

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academy and I know somewhere somewhere

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they had to make the decision that

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they're only going to have this

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percentage in the class and basically

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you know they're going on what the

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percentage of the population is that's

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not fair I mean is it does the LAPD

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practice affirmative action I don't know

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I'm not behind the scenes I don't know

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that all I could say is that well what I

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all I could say is what I've heard and

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they're trying to keep it at the level

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of the population of blacks but that's

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not that's not writing that's not

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productive because but who's trying to

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keep it that way

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well key for the leaves the mayor well

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no is it I don't know who goes behind

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and who actually makes that decision you

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can use that's the question you should

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have asked Jamie McBride on how they

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came about those numbers with the how

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many blacks but but perhaps the numbers

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just come out as they are they the

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people apply everybody's free to apply

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the best-qualified get hired and the

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less qualified don't and then it winds

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up with the percentage that it winds up

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and now you're acting as if somebody's

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paying attention and manipulating the

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numbers to make sure there's only a

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certain percentage of blacks and that's

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that's a very strong assertion you're

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saying that they're violating title

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seven of the Civil Rights Act Black's

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well when I was in the Academy they did

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have a policy that they would not even

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start an academy class unless they had a

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certain number of a certain percentage

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of blacks in that class certain

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percentage of Hispanics and a certain

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percentage of whites that was a fact I

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knew when I go when I was in there I

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can't say what's going on now because

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I'm not a part of it but I can tell you

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for sure there had to be at least a

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minimum percentage you're saying right

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there was a minimum percentage that you

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had to have and they would not start a

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class if they could not meet those

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percentages so that's affirmative action

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they were intentionally looking at

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people's race and making sure that they

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had a certain percentage of black and

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Hispanic candidates they were applying

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affirmative action right and so now that

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the nine point nine percent is not an

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effective number nine hundred and sixty

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two black officers and having only less

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than 300 in the field is not productive

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especially when the crisis that we're

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having now is generated by what's going

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on in the black community well look I I

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agree with you I would love to see a

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greater percentage of African Americans

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as police officers because even though

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10 percent is in the ballpark of the

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percentage of African Americans in Los

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Angeles the truth is there's far more

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crime in the black community and so

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there's far more officers in the black

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community and it would be nice if a

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larger percentage of them were of a

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similar background and you're right

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there the the statistics for the for the

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crime in the black community is lot

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higher and that goes to to what I've

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been saying as far as the mindset of

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police officers when I was in the

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Academy we had a choice of where to go

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we have three choices of where we wanted

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to go everyone shows 77th southeast in

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Newton which were areas in the black

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community and a lot of our the recruits

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were from other states they were from

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Iowa they were from Montana and

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everybody

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77 and southeast and I asked a lot of

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them over like why do you want to go

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there and they're like because we heard

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that's where the action is so everybody

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knows the statistics where the crime is

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where the action is and that's where

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they want to go because they want to be

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in where the action is it's not because

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they want to help solve domestic

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violence are are be mentors to kids they

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want to go where you know where the

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action is and I mean I understand that

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but the thing is is you have that

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mentality and you go into the community

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and you want to go in like a cowboy

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you're not thinking about what the

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people who are innocent who aren't

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involved in gangs who and the kids who

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get stopped randomly because these

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officers are from some other place and

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they don't understand you know really

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understand what a gang member looks like

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and so that's where you have the

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hostility and in the black community and

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you have these officers who who are

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aggressive and they go on to the black

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community and it's accepted where you

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live in West LA you can't go in there

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and just stop randomly stop people you

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know you'd be thrown out the division

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and you would have problems but in South

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LA you can pretty much do anything you

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want to do and there isn't you know any